Same with Beyonder and TOAA. If beyonder has knowledge beforehand then it becomes a more pitched battle with the scarlet king holding the slight power advantage (High 1A - Low 1A) and is now on a time limit to kill beyonder before his seals are removed and killed himself. Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. @The Mjolnir Wielder: Doubt it, Beyonder has a weak will and can easily be manipulated. Comics Explained thinks that The Lost One is more powerful than the Enigma, but the Enigma seems to be an end-all kind of threat whereas the Lost One seems to be a Beyonder-Hunter kind. . Even if it logically and rationally. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. Beyonder h├¿ was the TOAA at that time if not stronger. ago. Omnipotence is a fancy title at best. DarkGodBane • 7 yr. 13 years agoEdit: Looking at the respect threads PR Beyonder actually seems a lot more impressive, and it seems my point regarding Lucifer being half the Presence was wrong. I'm not sure how you can put Grant Morrison's "The Writer" character above PM though. 3 years ago. Homelander has Outerversal AP. Impossibly powerful and unimaginably wise, the Living Trinity's power far outclasses beings like Thanos, Galactus, and the Celestials!. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. beyonder Yep, lol. beyonder Yep, lol. . The omniverse in a box feat is really debatable as proof of omniversal level. AFAIK this Spiderman recreated the universe. Beyonder 16. He's nowhere near Beyonder levels. So I might be missing something. 0. "Beyonder stomp "I don't think so! First of most people consider TOAA(fulcrum) to be slightly above Beyonder in the end. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. At the very least, it will be a stalemate. . Lord Of Shambala 5. 14 years ago. TOAA is above all. He is just beyond. TOAA have failed. . 1. Pre-retcon Beyonder is crazy powerful, powerful enough to stomp the LT, but infinitely weak compared to TOAA. u/nullfather can attest to that. Dimensions in Cthulhu Mythos are weird, to say the least. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. -. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. Beyonder being > Oblivion aint change the fact that Beatrice steamrolles Marvel sans TOAA . That being said TOAA indeed seems to be the sovereign of Marvel. 300 Xenomorph Warriors (Alien) r/LegionofSuperheroes • Legion of Super-Heroes (Volume 8) Interlac Translations Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". #12 Edited By Montaq. And although they themselves are Drawings to us (God appeared on panel in FF#511) EVERYTHING else in Marvel is Drawings to them, from Thanos/THOTI to Aunt May. The Beyonder in. idk how he could lose to anyone except for TOAA if he's not TOAA himself. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. He destroyed the Sun sometime in Ardas history. I've heard TOAA is no longer omnipotent due to a new plot development, so you might be able to throw him at Featherine and see what happens. The supreme maker does indeed scale above all possibilities, but i'm not sure that would beat toaa, but if you wank that hyperspace scan TSM has more of a chance against him. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he. #28 ovy7. In fact, Jack Kirby stated that The One Above All. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. Wiki Points. No they don't, Beyonder (Weather it's Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon) stomps Anti-Spiral and the whole Gurren Lagann universe. 4. Wait if Defender Beyonder is above TOAA than Marvel truly retcon TOAA from being omnipotent to megaversal or omniversal level abstract than. #2 Edited By Kataklysmo. This is like putting TOAA against an ant. he could just copy TOAA and become the new TOAA himself. Phoenixblue. s. he is on my list of people who need to never appear in the Battle Threads again. His main motivation was to learn more about good and evil. So I might be missing something. Who wins this fight • 10 months. It is implied he is God. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. TOAA isn't omnipotent. Also was TOAA until he got bored Haven't seen anything to suggest this new one can come close 1 year agoAbout Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre # 493 Team The Spectre Mandrakk is above presence, toaa and all characters here. I see through many eyes. There is only one Beyonder and its capabilities are beyond anything any cosmic being on this list can even begin to contemplate. Superhero Battle match: Beyonder versus The Presence. 2. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. On the other hand, there are entities – or an entity – that are equal to The. 4 years ago. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. Hulk wins, he keeps getting madder and stronger and than thunderclaps the one above all and TOAA only wishes he could negate that dreadful healing factor plus the Hulk can jump really high up in. The Beyonders are powerful, but ultimately still finite. beyonder Yep, lol. He is True Omnipotent inside. Beyonder: Sonuva. I. - MUSICvisual effects that I use in my videos!INSTAGRAM: nick_. No . Register Sign in. He definitely isn't TOAA level outside maybe his own reality. He wins. It's actually arguable that Beyonder > TOAA based on feats. Yeah All Mighty Wins. It involved, at the time, marvel explaining the potential of other comic mega-verses existing and the fact that each has their own supreme being. The Fulcrum is an aspect of Eternity as are the Celestials. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. Bonus round: Chousins vs pre-retcon beyonder . Claymore1998. Probably thanos as he seemed to. Khorne. The "Nuh-uh, Presence is not omnipotent. Both have the same powers. beyonder vs toaa. I'm thinking Thanos. At least, not anymore. Thanos would be able to overpower Cosmic Entities like the Beyonder and, on top of that, Thanos is more used to using power on this scale than Doom. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. . TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. given TOAA's omnipotence is dependent on certain factors he's not a true omnipotent and doesn't have better feats than pre recton Beyonder, so being toaa or not wouldn't matterIs the Beyonder's anti-feat considered and do we take "omnipotence" at face value? Is Above All Others considered to be the same character as The One Above All, giving this entity an anti-feat? For the most part, I'd say TOAA is even beyond The Pre-Retcon Beyonder, but I can see arguments for why this isn't the case, or arguments for them. PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. The One Above All has no equal. You cannot write a more powerful character than him without transforming from a character to a plot device. And Pre-Retcon Beyonder wasn't "TOAA" before TOAA. Seriously TOAA can erase everyone in all marvel universes without even trying heck he could fight them all at once, not even SS god Goku could stop him. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. #9 Edited By AtPhantom. And that excuse about "They would be powerless in MU" is false because they embody God's Power and Will. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. I see no one equal to the gods of DC and Marvel: The Presence and The One Above All. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. 14 years ago. GER is well above the league of the Infinity Gauntlet. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. Beyonder would just toy with the Spectre. The Divine Order is where LT gets it's powers from. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. And yes she-hulk can do that as well, but she can also defeat opponents by crumpling up the page, that plot manipulation. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . This topic is locked from further discussion. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. The True Beyonder vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Thespacelord;. What I given I can take away, so: Richard Reeds and Sue Storm can take away Franklin Richards power. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. Pre-Retcon Beyonder would easily beat Lucifer Morningstar, and would probably stalemate TOAA and MoM. Beyonder can manipulate the universe at his will, and on top of that, it is part of the reason why. The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. A Golden Age Mxyzptlk is pitted against the "Secret Wars" era Beyonder. And what does this mean? He was TOAA before TOAA? I don't get it. DC hasn't even created beings on his level, because they realize that something that powerful. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. 2. Wiki Points. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. Poll The Scarlet King vs TOAA, Azathoth, Lucifer Morningstar, Empty Hand and Pre Retcon Beyonder (12 votes) Scarlet King 50% . And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. Jayfournines. Khael. Scp 3812 vs Anos vs Featherine vs Hajun vs Yogiri vs Golden Wondie vs Superboy Prime vs pre retcon Beyonder vs Sotha Sil. Scathan beat Protege and that had to have been from an outside Amp from TOAA based on her copying the LT. Beyonder curbstomp slaughterhouse. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. s. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said: Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Veldavana also existed in a plane void outside Everythingness and. Beyonder stomps. 3. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said:Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. Beyonder blinking can destroy universes and LON does. Bait? 1 year ago. and yes, its the. Thanos w HOTU and PR BeyonderVSLTWhite Crown of PhoenixEternityZero-Hour ParallaxObvilianDeathAdam Warlock w IGAbraxasGalactus with the Ultimate NuffiThe PM is basically a rip off of what classic Beyonder was. Beyonder is marvel. 13. ~ Stan Lee Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". 2. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. So this battle is TOAA vs. 3 years ago. Who wins?PR Beyonder was at the time OMNIPOTENT -- He was supposed to the the TOAA equivalent from his own Megaverse!, it has been retconed a number of times but the retconns are irrelevant to the argument. I think Brevoort's answer was a way of taking a dig at Shooter's take on the character and flaunting his power to ret con characters such as Beyonder(prob as being toaa in his own mind). ago Almighty wins against Beyonder and Oblivion. ago. TOAA was the supreme being of the marvel multiverse (interchangeably called universe) and everything in it. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. " I am the One Above All. SCP 3812. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. and it's the rules of the. zold5 • 1 yr. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. Round 1: Beyonder Vs ZRound 2: Beyonder Vs Kami TenchiRound 3: Beyonder Vs Truth (FMA). the fulcrum vs astral regulator thanos vs pre retcon beyonder. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). 3 The Beyonder. No it is not. But the original cover art of the original Beyonder was toying with them making everyone believe he was inferior. Beyonder but nemesis is one of the few who can actually compete. ". The Living Tribunal is TOAA's right-hand cosmic entity. bcs he is embodyment of writher than is boundless and far stronger than all characters here. There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. Ok, this is what I thought. Searching. 10 years ago. M. . The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. Because I always thought we put the Presence on the level of TOAA, the supreme being from the Marvel Multiverse, but that Soul-Glo Jumpsuit Donny Osmond was above. 0. Situation 3:If all of them are bloodlusted, the battle ends in less than a minute with the last standing being TOAA and Presence. As in rough equals with the presence, who is easily Mikey boy. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Writers later on depowered The Beyonder, which resulted with other versions. Same goes for Jean's human parents. Nope. . he is omnipresent. beyonder Yep, lol. PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. He had to use a large portion of his power to even effect concepts and was effected by physical attacks. During PR Beyonder's time, the idea of TOAA had never been established. If we assume the latter, then Deku and Bakugo would get destroyed by him and TOAA. Classic Beyonder is the most powerful being ever imagined by TOAA and drawn. This would be a contradiction, as the only infinity existing in marvelverse with no equal is TOAA. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > The LT with the backing of the TOAA vs. ago. They could literally blink the Beyonders out of existence by simply having a character state "one day the Beyonders were gone. Beyonder was at TOAA level pre-retcon. Goku dying of old age is a valid win condition for Darwin or vice versa if that can happen. So, unless you think that Beyonder is >> TOAA and Presence, then your statement is absolute hyperbole and highly inaccurate. and it can be said so is spectre. TOAA mops the floor with these two. So there are two possibilities here. According to Marvel, a single celestial has. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact AKM sama if you encounter any problems. While Beyonder has the power of Marvel writers. bcs he is embodyment of writher than is boundless and far stronger than all characters hereYamcha vs The One Above All, Madoka Kaname, The Presence and Galactus. TOAA mops the floor with these two. Wiki Points. TOAA remains TOAA and this object will still not. There would be no fight. But I just posted in death vs TOAA thread about DC cosmology. Having incubated. 3. Like, Dr-Manhattan created the new DC universe, but the Multiverse that belongs in is Yehweh's Multiverse. But If TOAA existed in Marvel when Pre-Beyonder was created then he isn't omnipotent. The Primal Monitor is the whole DC. Hajun, if not Beyonder. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in DC. We have arrived at the Conclusion of Defenders Beyond! The Defenders have come face to face with The One Above All! But not all is as it seems, and Blue Ma. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. Mxy on the other hand erased every universe that ever existed and seemed to be also aware of a author, and Beyonder was described as a god in his own universe, essentially TOAA. 12 years ago. 9. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. 0. vs. TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch. Victory by permanent death or erasure. • 1 year ago. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. PR Beyonder, TOAA. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. • 7 mo. 11 years ago. 1%. Team Lucifer Morningstar - vs - Team Beyonder #. #1 quandaledingle. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotionAbout Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise. PR beyonder can take all and stalemate with TOAA. The-One-Above-All (also known as "Above All Others" or ''God'') is the overarching protagonist of the Marvel Universe. Jul 30, 2018. #4 ironthor1. Dante 1 y 7 d. Juntai. Beyonder is too big for the multiverse, his very presence alters the entire multiverse a great deal, without him even knowing it - Scan 1 and Scan 2The One-Above-All was created by Mark Waid and Mike Wieringo and first appeared in Fantastic Four #511. Look stuff up for it. s. He was initially depicted. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. Wiki Points. #28 ovy7. FAA could stalemate EGDB and (PR) Beyonder, 1v1. Meaning he became everything and everyone. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. Max Deen. Who will win in a fight between Beyonder and The Presence? Menu. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. This is a really difficult fight to answer, because neither have shown any feats that the other wouldn’t theoretically be capable of. Pre Retcon Beyonder was always above TOAA/AAO based on him being millions of times bigger than the entire Marvel multiverse (which is what TOAA/AAO consists of). Thought Robot without any effort. Follow 4160. Follow 77. Molceule Man is powerful, and I believe he once contained a multiverse in a box, but there is no chance he can beat. Many sources say TOBA is equal in strength to The One Above All. From secret wars there was only one beyonder. First debuting in Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #1, this Beyonder gave. plus isnt white phoenix at lt level i hear that it is. Are there any scans that show toaa being superior to pre retcon beyonder?About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. ago. Supergirl and Kal-L in COIE, SBP in SCW, etc. 168. Pre-Retcon is irrelevant (has been for decades) only current The Beyonder and members of his species count 1 versus 1 All try their hardest to win Round 1: Peak condition and trying hard Round 2: Augmentation (like sundipping for kryptonians) and trying hard. Follow 4160. Victory Conditions: Death, KO. so any one of then can easily defeat beyonder without even. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. This allows him to teleport billions of people, establish telepathic linkages between realities, and even employ it in battle. Beyonder is nigh omnipotent so he wins. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. There was a guy that could copy powers that defeated the LT. The Glory: description and feats. But it turns out the current Beyonder is the source of the power for God Emperor Doom and technical Molecule Man. 21 48 48 comments Best material-world • 2 yr. They were both supreme powers above the LT. TOAA is omnipotent in the Marvel multiverse , not outside of it. It is embedded. the Beyonder was the supreme being of the Marvel Universe before the introduction of TOAA or Oblivion. Prepare for. #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. Even The. s. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War. and also white phoenix cant beat toaa but im sure she can eaither salemate prerecton beyonder r at least beat him through. But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. The Glory is an infinite-dimensional temporal construct that holds the infinite dimensional multiverse in Doctor Who together. Follow 1627. In terms of creation, TOAA can copy or recreate Rimuru and Anos' power. Azathoth is TOAA of lovecraft. Living Tribunal cannot and has never once, not ever, enacted beyond universal destructive capabilities without the concent of TOAA. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. The Two fight in the beyond realm. Advertisement Coins. And to the other people bringing up TOAA, he is basically The. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. What they dream up with goes. What they say. ". Her being outclassed "heavily" would require some actual analysis of their respective abilities (and weaknesses), this definitely doesn't seem to be a stomp at first glance, as even with my admittedly very limited knowledge of Umineko, I recall. The glory (Dr. He's the most powerful.